Some issues with gay marriage

Consider if two males get married and have a child by a surrogate mother

Does the child call both male parents "Dad"?

Do they celebrate Mothers Day?

Will all present forms that have Fathers/Mothers details be changed to Parent#1/Parent#2?

I got no issue with gays until they try telling me its normal.
I hope they never make it compulsory, but the way it is going I won't be surprised.

I am not homophobic. If people wish to live an 'alternate' livestyle that's their business. So why don't they form their own type of marriage? Why do they want to steal straight peoples way of life? After all isn't that what the gay mardi gra is all about, a celebration of alternative lifestyles. This is one of the issues that should go to the people! Referrendum!!!! Let's see what the people really think. I would glady put money on the outcome and that the yes side wouldn't receive 20% of the vote. In my very humble opinion.

As Truck said

truck wrote:I got no issue with gays until they try telling me its normal.
I hope they never make it compulsory, but the way it is going I won't be surprised.

actually what is normal ?

Some would argue that" marriage " could quite easily be given another name & I doubt the gays would care as long as the " union " solved the current problems regarding property settlement etc. in the event of death or maiming or separation which at the moment there isn`t any legislation regarding two same sex people living together .
Some would also argue that children who are hard fought for to have as your own may also be brought up in a loving & caring environment & not subjected to the neglect & abuse many hetero sexual couples kids have ,which is too often covered on our news broadcasts .
I remember seeing a film with Robin Williams called " the bird cage about a gay couple with a son & don`t remember any problems with regards to who called who what in that, in fact it`s not uncommon for some kids to refer to one of their caregivers by first name ( second marriages springs to mind)
Mothers day ..........obviously not , unless it was perhaps two female caregivers / parents.
It sounds to me like some people may need to get out more & meet people to find out how they really think & live.( I realize there are those who are over the top , both sides have those , but most people aren`t )
I will agree that opinion on this is equally mis-represented and divided on both sides & don`t think either side would like to force the other to change sides so to speak , but there has to be a better way of dealing with their problems than the current one with regards to common law.
Gay relationships may not be for me or perhaps not for you ,but some things are just a human right like the law which should be available to everyone .

Way Too Hot for me.

Some of my favorite movie stars are lesbians.

Too much information.............

I have no issue with the law being changed to cover same sex relationships and their property/super etc entitlements.
I do have an issue with the union being called a marriage.

2wheelsagain wrote:I have no issue with the law being changed to cover same sex relationships and their property/super etc entitlements.
I do have an issue with the union being called a marriage.

Exactly, however the senate committee into gay marriage found that they were at no disadvantage, already. So you have to wonder at their agenda.

Im not gay , but I slept with a guy who was once

quizguy wrote:Im not gay , but I slept with a guy who was once

plus i was told your only gay if your a taker not giver ........

aka - pitcher or cather

rolls wrote:Some of my favorite movie stars are lesbians.

Too much information.............

+1

Exactly, however the senate committee into gay marriage found that they were at no disadvantage, already. So you have to wonder at their agenda.[/quote]

I suspect their agenda is to have the same rights as the rest of the community. Is that too big an ask?

The discrimination against gays for superannuation, pensions etc was only removed in 2009.

Governments should stay out of people's bedrooms. As long as it between two (or more) consenting adults, I couldn't give a rats what people get up to and they shuold have the same rights as my wife and I do. I don't see a problem at all with gay people being able to get married (and yes, I think they can call it marriage).

As for those claiming that a vote wouldn't attract more than 20% support, recent polling indicates that over 60% of Australians support gay marriage. You might just find yourself in the minority.

Why do people insist on imposing their values on others? I just don't get it.

Government should stay out of peoples bedrooms, I Agree there Grover, what is your opinion on the Gay movement trying to change the churches stance on not allowing gay marriages? (I know there are a few breakaway churches that do accept it) I am always interested in seeing if it works both ways in a discussion.
I would say 20% support in a vote would be about right.

You ask "Why do people insist on imposing their values on others"? I say Isn't that what the Gay movement is trying to do to the church or doesn't that count?

truck wrote:Government should stay out of peoples bedrooms, I Agree there Grover, what is your opinion on the Gay movement trying to change the churches stance on not allowing gay marriages? (I know there are a few breakaway churches that do accept it) I am always interested in seeing if it works both ways in a discussion.
I would say 20% support in a vote would be about right.

You ask "Why do people insist on imposing their values on others"? I say Isn't that what the Gay movement is trying to do to the church or doesn't that count?

As i understand it, the gay lobby is trying to amend the Marriage Act (Cwlth) so they can get married. As far as I know, no one is trying to force the churches to do anything they don't want to on this issue. Churches could stick to their hetro only approach to marriage and I am happy for them to do that. Lots of people get married outside churches, hetro included.

20% support? check this poll out today: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/big-vote-for-gay-marriage/story-e6freuy9-1226361022096

Each to their own. I just don't have a problem with gay people having the same rights as me and my wife. It has no impact on my life what-so-ever.

Since ive never been married i really dont care either way .

Then let's have a referrendum on the issue.
I have nothing against gays. I have a friend who is gay.
It's when children come into the equation that I get concerned. Who asks the child if they want to be born into or raised by a dad/dad or a mum/mum? We currently have a society with many kids born into sole parenthood. Who ever asks if those kids wanted to be born without a dad? A sperm donor is not a dad. One of the most fundamental rights, next to life itself, is the right to a mum and a 'dad'. I am not religious or anything like it, but I firmly believe kids must be considered 1st on this issue. Put it to the people, if 60% say yes then I will just have to shut my mouth.

I think that I must be a Lesbian ! Because I only like Women !

I don't understand the issue with same sex marriages.

If your arguement against it is a religious one, then you've already lost.

If you're argument against is the welfare of the kids, then, sorry you've already lost.

Hammy wrote:I think that I must be a Lesbian ! Because I only like Women !

Better check what you have in the toolkit Hammy.

Ewok1958 wrote:

Hammy wrote:I think that I must be a Lesbian ! Because I only like Women !

Better check what you have in the toolkit Hammy.

Probably has Whips, handcuffs, chains& locks, studded leather...........................Oh sorry not that tool kit

paul wrote:

Ewok1958 wrote:

Hammy wrote:I think that I must be a Lesbian ! Because I only like Women !

Better check what you have in the toolkit Hammy.

Probably has Whips, handcuffs, chains& locks, studded leather...........................Oh sorry not that tool kit

I try to give a truthful, accurate, and factual statement and you guys just turn it into something else. Tut tut tut.

By the way Paul. Have you finished with my nipple clamps and rubber chicken yet ?

Hammy wrote:

paul wrote:

Ewok1958 wrote:

Hammy wrote:I think that I must be a Lesbian ! Because I only like Women !

Better check what you have in the toolkit Hammy.

Probably has Whips, handcuffs, chains& locks, studded leather...........................Oh sorry not that tool kit

I try to give a truthful, accurate, and factual statement and you guys just turn it into something else. Tut tut tut.

By the way Paul. Have you finished with my nipple clamps and rubber chicken yet ?

Not sure you`d want the chicken back , it`s developed a rather strange odour , but the clamps were great thanks