Gsxr 1000 , 07-08 , rear shock fitment to 1250 Bandit .

Time to fit - 1 hr
How hard to do -Easy .
Tools - sockets and allen keys .(No cutting of filing )
What will you need - the shock and a pair of 20mm LIFT , dog bones . This will give you standard height
Cost ,all up (e-bay )  $150 
Heavier than 105 kg you may need a stronger spring .

Sticky ??

deja vu?    

Didn't you already do this Gus? 

Yes I did but ,but it went for pages with lots of "I think 20mm should fit " and probably some misleading info .Above is short ,sweet ,and correct .

crimsondawn wrote:I have a 35mm lift coming. Hopefully it is not too high.

I've got afunny feeling that that is going to be a bit on the high side.

10mm lift will be fine. 35 is great for track days, but I found it way to stiff for day to day riding. I also found the bracket for the centre stand on the exhaust link pipe touched the swing arm and started to mark it with the stock shock. You will be fine.

crimsondawn wrote:Looks like velocityking sold me the wrong year shock . They sold it as an 07-08 model.

I ordered the racetech heavier spring and the free length is 6". The installed spring compressed is longer than that.

I reckon I have the 05-06 model which has a 7" free length spring.

Different spring rates entirely as well. The 05-06 is just over 8Kg/mm and the 07-08 is 10.1.

hi mate,

I`ve got both these shocks sitting on my shelf, and the 07-08 has both low and high speed compression damping control, where the 05-06 only has the one control for compression

crimsondawn wrote:Mine is the same as the one shown here.

I can`t tell from that.

have a look at the compression damping controls, the blue nut will be your high speed, and that's a "reverse thread", and the inner flat blade screw, is your low speed, and that is right hand thread.

the blue nut(high speed), should have centre pop marks indicating the adjustment marks, as do the high speed screw.

the nut from memory, only turns about 2 1/2 turns, where as the screw has I think 22clicks

ah, 6 turns is it?

well that means have it what you asked for, 07-08.

the 05-06 is a locked nut, and doesn`t turn, unless your pulling it apart, and is standard thread.

sorry mate. I`m in Brisbane at the moment recovering from shoulder surgery, and my normal life is in Gladstone, along with the shock and bike. I won`t be back up there for 4-6 weeks, as I`m not aloud to drive.

I had full custom rebuild on my shock, and put a 11kg spring on mine, so couldn`t give you an accurate say anyway, along with the sag set, so it will be way different to yours.

gus could probably tell you, as he has the same as you.

just a quick note,

I didn`t use racetech, I used an "Eibach" spring

http://www.eibach.com.au/motorcycle/

The GSX-R 1000 shock fits the bandit 1250...

what about the 1300 Busa shock? would that be more suited to a heavier rider?

Im 120kg with the original shock and 60000kms so its pretty dead...

Someone wrote:The GSX-R 1000 shock fits the bandit 1250...

what about the 1300 Busa shock? would that be more suited to a heavier rider?

Im 120kg with the original shock and 60000kms so its pretty dead...

g`day mate, I can`t directly answer your question, and I guess I shouldn`t even be trying, as I don`t own a water cooled, but an oil cooled.

 but in standard form, the oil cooled and the water cooled shock are the same,(as gen 2, not gen 1) and the busa fits the oil cooled with slight modification. I say modification cause the gas cartridge faces forward, not back, like the gix1000 shock, so the busa in the oil cooled hits the air box, and part of the battery box, and you have to trim some plastic wear to make fit.  so I`m not up on the water cooled to understand what is in the way, but from what I`ve picked up from reading others on here, if its ABS, I think there`s shit in the way, but if you don`t have that, it may fit, but like I said, you may have to trim, as I had to, back when I had the busa on my bike.

in summary, when I had the busa on, it was a good upgrade from the standard, and didn`t need spring upgrade. it has good adjustability, and raised the bike 20-25 mil, which I never corrected, as I wanted the extra lift.

in all....... I rebuilt the standard with gold valves, that wasn`t enough......

                I then went to the busa, and left it standard, it was good....  
        
               then went to the 07-08 gix1000 cause of the better damping control, ie: low and high speed compression control, and had this custom rebuild with new spring, full gold valves, and shimmed to suit my style , this was very good......

               then took that off to go to full remote wilbers shock, and in hyndsight, wish I had have done this from the very beginning, not only from the silly amount of money I`ve waisted over the years, but none of the before mentioned shocks compare to the wilbers.  would have been far cheaper for me to do it right from the beginning.

This looks like the closest thread that deals with my query without getting too far from the original posts.

It looks like I'll be doing a bit more 2-up riding in the future now that SWMBO's back injury is finally getting better.  As Axel has taken over the sidecar, mum is relegated to the pillion seat - which was the original plan when we got the rig except the sidecar was going to be setup for Leroy - however he got too big .

Anyway, I'm thinking of changing the rear shock, mainly to make the ride better with the additional weight.  As my riding is more akin to Thomas the Tank than Valentino Rossi, and I'm not looking at anything that can get me down the Bonang Highway in the quickest possible time, just something that will help with the normal riding and the extra load.

As my rig is an 07 1250 without ABS I think both the Busa (GSX1300R) and the GSXR1000 will fit, with maybe some minor plastic trimming to the airbox for the Busa install.  I'm leaning more towards the Busa shock due to it being from a heavier donor bike.

Questions are:

1.  Which model should I get, in particular what year (series),
2.  Are the standard (OEM) springs that come with these shocks ok or should this be upgraded (and to what) ?
3.  I believe the ride height will change, I think the Busa goes up and the 1000 down , both by approx 25mm, so should the dog-bones be changed, and where are these available from ?
4.  Anything I should be wary off with this swap ?
5.  Does anyone have these shocks/dog-bones parts for sale ?


If necessary I can take off the centre stand as it has never been used with my rig.

This probably isn't going to help at all Barry, but I have an original Bandit 1250s shock (from my bike) that you can have if it assists in any way. Cheers.

Hi Barry,
mmmm...What suspension is in the side cart, any shock at all, or only spring ?(I`m not up on the carts)

Your probably better going the Busa.

Are you going to be two up all the time?   Its just that you need to set the preload, and as much as its nice to be able to adjust the preload on the busa shock exactly how you like it, as opposed to the Bandit shock which has limited adjust, its also a pain in the arse to adjust the Busa for lack of room using a C-spanner. If your going from solo to two up all the time, it would be easy to adjust once for the extra person, and put up with a harsher ride for solo commute.

The only beauty in the Bandit shock is its easier to change the preload with their stupid antiquated system, even though its not precise.

It would be nice to tune the cart to the bike, so you have a nice ride.

As for dog bones, I use to make my own..
I did once find a lad in the UK, that use to taylor make the links, but sadly I`ve lost his address. There are a few people on ebay that sell different length links, but not precise lengths.

Thanks Dave, I'll keep that in mind if I end up doing something silly and need to revert back, or decide to get the original re-valved or whatever the correct suspension term is   ??

MT, the side car has a rudimentary swinging arm with a coil over shock mounted vertically and attached to the main frame via a vertical bracket.  Here is a pretty good photo of how it goes together, also shown is the Leading Link front end, and the four braces going to the bikes frame, you should be able to see the two rear points, one under the left pillion foot peg, the other under the rider foot peg:



I think I could live with the harsher ride, the current setup would be Axel in the chair and mum on the back with no panniers and a virtually empty top box, or me and Axel in touring mode with full panniers and top box (i.e approx 60kg of additional weight on the bike).  Haven't convinced mum to do any long range trips yet, but that would mean winding the pre-load up even more if there was a full Givi load and mum.

If we're taking a full trailer, there is also the tow-ball downward load (of approx 10% of the trailers weight).  The tow bar is bolted to the sidecar frame so it is logical to assume that this tow-ball load is being transferred to both the sidecar and bike frames. I'm not sure without measuring what this would be, but I'd guess it would be somewhere at a third and half of the 10% acting on the bikes rear chassis, so 210kg of trailer, 21kg of tow-ball, so another 7 to 10kg......hmm .... looking at those figures I think I might not worry about it.... ... where's that delete key....

That's beginning to stack up to a lot of weight..

I think you need a Goldwing or the BMW K 1600 GTL 

Just for laughs, There`s a lad in Gladstone who has a near new Goldie, and he`s passed me a few times on the high way..god damnl that thing goes!!  Which made me youtube them, and its competitor`s, and if I was ever that way inclined, which I`m not, but if I was, the BMW would be the go. They both put out BIG torque, and the BMW is also sports inclined and sounds VERY nice, where the Honda is straight out cruise.
The BMW also has HID standard, that self tracks and levels the road for cornering, which is very good!! 


Just spend $1300 on a full remote rear shock and be done with it. Its only money, and you know you want to.

I`m not helping am I???

I installed a GSXR1000 rear shock on my 06 1200 Bandit. Which , has is the same frame as the 07 1250's and onwards.  The installation was easy. I picked up the shock from the States. As new, and was very cheap.
If I did that sort of thing again, I would have the shock serviced and maybe resprung if needed.


 

Rear Shock Question

Well I decided to order a shock off a 2014 Busa in the US, the company seemed okay with their rating history, the photos and write up on eBay showed a fairly new shock and it included the dog bones and swing piece.  Shipping put the price up, but with the dog bones (that I thought could be modified to get the ride height back) it was a better deal than the local parts.  Paid the money and was expecting it to show up this week.  

What I received last night was a message saying I'm getting a full refund from the supplier.  I queried them what the issue was, they told me that Australian Customs would not allow them to export it.  First time in over 400 eBay purchases I have ever had this hassle, especially for a second hand part.  Sometimes I needed to change the shipping address from our Post Office box to the house as a few suppliers don't like dropping off at the Post Office (usually its those suppliers that use a shipping company like Toll etc).  Even had parcels opened and a little note from Customs, seemed they have alarms set for things called Screaming Banshees and the like  

So, I'm off looking for another Busa shock, got a bid in on 2012 unit in Qld, no dog bones though, but at least the delivery fee is reasonable.

PS.  Checked PayPal this morning and the refund was in there, including the postage costs.  Noticed the shock is back on eBay as well so it wasn't as if they had sold it and were pulling a swifty.  Hope this isn't a sign of things to come with overseas purchases.

That's very interesting with customs Barry!!

I guess you`ve already done your research, but I was on a busa site, and came across this information - a bit of plagiarism:


Re: Gen1 and Gen2 busa shock
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2010, 08:17:42 PM »

The information is on race techs web site now. Go to the search pull down menu, click on product search, select street, then click on hayabusa, then select 99-07 or 08-09 and hit continue. It brings up all the products for chosen motorcycle and gives you the manufacturer of the stock components and the stock spring rates. The Gen 2 has .93 kg/mm fork springs and 14.5 kg/mm shock spring. Gen 1 is .85 kg/mm fork and 13.1 kg/mm shock spring

So I guess if this is correct. then the Gen2 shock is the go.















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Yep - been to the Race Tech site and gathered the same info, I've gone through the springs for the later model Busa and put together a little chart with various rider/pillion weights from 75 to 200 kg, then cross referenced to the recommended springs. The standard spring (14.5kg/mm) is good for riders between 95 to 100kg, so with mum and me a heavier spring is needed (i.e. a combined weight of 160kg works out at 17.918kg/mm).

Would be interesting to work out the load distribution given the third wheel of the sidecar. I would guess that it might allow me to have a slightly lower rate spring as it (the sidecar wheel) should be taking some of the load from the bike wheels, hence the actual load presented to the bike wheels would slightly less than the actual rider & pillion weights .

Was the shock over $1000AU Barry?

Australian Customs site shows no change to import laws :  http://www.customs.gov.au/site/page5549.asp

Spring rates are funny things, and how the work in real time.

Just as an example, when I got my Wilbers, it was set up for me at 85kg, plus an extra 30kg in luggage.

If I ride with no luggage, which as a daily commuter, I don`t. It is in my opinion, to stiff, but when I go long distance, that extra weight brings the suspension into its element, and feels so much smoother and balanced, and at speed handles far far better, than me alone.

That extra 30kg makes such a difference in real world riding.

#Tag wrote:Was the shock over $1000AU Barry?

Australian Customs site shows no change to import laws :  http://www.customs.gov.au/site/page5549.asp

No - less than AU$200 including $63 postage.  

I think either the seller or their shipping company messed up the paperwork, they even had the standard pull down list of which country to select, beats me .  Having read how lots of others on here have got US sourced shocks I didn't think it would be an issue, I've had full Givi sets sent from Italy with no problems.

As far as the springs go MT, I'll keep with the standard 14.5 for a while, I think it can handle more than the 100kg with my rig, then if I find this is not working go up a stage or two. I wouldn't mind finding a local spring maker as the US prices with shipping now is getting a bit too expensive.