Here we go again!

front number plates again!

You can't help feeling that it is only a matter of time.

Ewok1958 wrote:You can't help feeling that it is only a matter of time.

Yes unfortunately, though hopefully not in the form of a sharp metal plate attached to the front

It's BS as we know but it sells papers.
The good oil from people who know these things is that the bike % is about the same as all vehicles that cant be identified.

Lets not forget the tech already exists to get rear facing plates.

It's a whinge story nothing more than that.

It's a non-issue, the manufacturers have made it clear that they will not play ball. There is honestly no way to fit front identification to a large majority of bikes out there, let alone retrofitting them to existing bikes.

Anyway, even if legislation was introduced, all we would need to do is say no.

I'd just like to say "thanks" to that moron above who thought it was a good idea to do that speed in a 50 zone. Obviously he knew the camera was there
and thought it was funny he could get away with it .Now ,if I knew who he was, i'd be tempted to dob him in for the good of the rest of us .
There is a time and place , 50 zones arnt it
Dude carnt even dress himself properly .

gus wrote:I'd just like to say "thanks" to that moron above who thought it was a good idea to do that speed in a 50 zone. Obviously he knew the camera was there
and thought it was funny he could get away with it .Now ,if I knew who he was, I'd be tempted to dob him in for the good of the rest of us .
There is a time and place , 50 zones aren't it
Dude can't even dress himself properly .

+1

.... or a knee capping might be in order.

oh boo hoo Government is missing out on allll that revenue!
Like it was suggested, the cameras only need to face the opposite direction, to read our back plates. Its a no-brainer...
As for the morons speeding and giving us all a bad name, i hope you're all the first ones to get caught..

Taken from a link on ASB .


Media Release that went out last night - regarding Front Number Plates:

Camera Commissioner’s Office Loses Credibility on Front Number Plates.


The credibility of both the Office of the Road Safety Camera
Commissioner and the Department of Justice is in doubt after their call
for motorcycle front number plates (FNP) was found to be based on a
non-existent “police study”. The Victorian Motorcycle Council (VMC) has
confirmed that neither agency can produce the critical police study
leading the VMC to conclude that it doesn’t exist.


Peter Baulch, VMC Chairman said, "The Camera Commissioner has widely
referenced the police study as the basis for FNP’s, quoting statistics
which implied that excessive speeds were involved in the majority of
rider deaths. The confidence of the public and the Parliament should be
shaken if the Police study is shown to not exist.”

Jeremy
Walton, VMC Secretary said, "It’s fair to say that the Police Study
doesn’t exist. Four FOI’s, three which were to the DoJ, and internal
enquiries by a senior Victoria Police officer all failed to locate the
study.”

Along
with the call for FNP’s are claims that FNP's are easy to fit and will
improve motorcycle safety. In fact, VicRoads research confirmed that it
was virtually impossible to safely retrofit FNP’s to modern motorcycles -
FNP’s were globally abolished 30 years ago to improve motorcycle
safety. If it was possible, retrofitting Victoria’s motorcycle fleet
would cost the community at least $29m dollars for no provable road
safety benefits.


Rob Salvatore, Deputy Chairman said, "The quoted statistics were always
doubtful as they are at odds with the VicRoads Crash stats database.
Also, three years of recent speeding data showed no overall increase in
detected speeding motorcycles despite a 10% increase in registrations –
that represents a real terms reduction. There’s no credible safety
argument for FNP's."


Data presented to a recent Parliamentary Inquiry showed that the camera
system failed to identify as many motorcycles from the rear (where a
bike carries identification), as were failing to be identified from the
front. Rob Salvatore said, "0.4% of all speeding vehicle detections
related to a lack of identification on the front of motorcycles. 0.4% is
not a big problem, but it highlights a design flaw in the camera system
for which riders and the community hip pocket will be made the scape
goat.”

In
light of the highly questionable statistics, the negative safety
implications of a return to FNP's and the real terms reduction in
speeding motorcycles, the VMC calls upon the Napthine Liberal Government
to drop the pursuit of FNP's and launch an inquiry into the Office of
the Road Safety Camera Commissioner having potentially mislead the
public and Parliament.

paul wrote:Taken from a link on ASB .


"......
Data presented to a recent Parliamentary Inquiry showed that the camera
system failed to identify as many motorcycles from the rear (where a
bike carries identification), as were failing to be identified from the
front. Rob Salvatore said, "0.4% of all speeding vehicle detections
related to a lack of identification on the front of motorcycles. 0.4% is
not a big problem, but it highlights a design flaw in the camera system
for which riders and the community hip pocket will be made the scape
goat.”......

So they say on one hand these speed cameras are not for revenue raising - yet the community hip pocket suffers because they are not catching speedsters??? How does that work???

paul wrote:Taken from a link on ASB .


Media Release that went out last night - regarding Front Number Plates:

Camera Commissioner’s Office Loses Credibility on Front Number Plates.


The credibility of both the Office of the Road Safety Camera
Commissioner and the Department of Justice is in doubt after their call
for motorcycle front number plates (FNP) was found to be based on a
non-existent “police study”. The Victorian Motorcycle Council (VMC) has
confirmed that neither agency can produce the critical police study
leading the VMC to conclude that it doesn’t exist.


Peter Baulch, VMC Chairman said, "The Camera Commissioner has widely
referenced the police study as the basis for FNP’s, quoting statistics
which implied that excessive speeds were involved in the majority of
rider deaths. The confidence of the public and the Parliament should be
shaken if the Police study is shown to not exist.”

Jeremy
Walton, VMC Secretary said, "It’s fair to say that the Police Study
doesn’t exist. Four FOI’s, three which were to the DoJ, and internal
enquiries by a senior Victoria Police officer all failed to locate the
study.”

Along
with the call for FNP’s are claims that FNP's are easy to fit and will
improve motorcycle safety. In fact, VicRoads research confirmed that it
was virtually impossible to safely retrofit FNP’s to modern motorcycles -
FNP’s were globally abolished 30 years ago to improve motorcycle
safety. If it was possible, retrofitting Victoria’s motorcycle fleet
would cost the community at least $29m dollars for no provable road
safety benefits.


Rob Salvatore, Deputy Chairman said, "The quoted statistics were always
doubtful as they are at odds with the VicRoads Crash stats database.
Also, three years of recent speeding data showed no overall increase in
detected speeding motorcycles despite a 10% increase in registrations –
that represents a real terms reduction. There’s no credible safety
argument for FNP's."


Data presented to a recent Parliamentary Inquiry showed that the camera
system failed to identify as many motorcycles from the rear (where a
bike carries identification), as were failing to be identified from the
front. Rob Salvatore said, "0.4% of all speeding vehicle detections
related to a lack of identification on the front of motorcycles. 0.4% is
not a big problem, but it highlights a design flaw in the camera system
for which riders and the community hip pocket will be made the scape
goat.”

In
light of the highly questionable statistics, the negative safety
implications of a return to FNP's and the real terms reduction in
speeding motorcycles, the VMC calls upon the Napthine Liberal Government
to drop the pursuit of FNP's and launch an inquiry into the Office of
the Road Safety Camera Commissioner having potentially mislead the
public and Parliament.

That's a good read, thanks Paul

Unfortunately the world is run by fucking morons that wouldn't even know what a motorbike was. They sit in their offices all day and make decisions based on figures generated by another moron that wants to advance to their level of stupidity.

I'll admit that I like the old wartime bikes with the plate running length ways along the front guard, it has a nice classic look to it. But if they made us do that on the Bandits or other modern bike, it'd slice right through the front light.

Do they propose a smaller plate or even a sticker at the front?

I feel sorry for you guys in Western Australia - you have the widest plates i have seen! To fit that on a front plate, you'll be pushing air out of the way like a Mack Truck!

I agree, don't speed through school zones, work zones or high exposure areas where the media/public see motorbikes and get the impression that all we do is go fast. Do it out on those back country roads (where we know we all do!) and that way it ain't in the public eye and they'll forget about these silly front plates.

There has also been talk about an electronic tag to communicate with the camera to identify the bike. Seems like a lot of expense when they could just turn the cameras around.

the age

Time for him to retire so he doesn't have to worry so much.