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Post  Ewok1958 Wed 04 May 2016, 11:28 am

As most of you know, I've got a 1997 Yammy TRX850 that spends a lot of time sitting in the shed.  Yesterday I thought I'd take it for a run but discovered the clutch was disengaging when the lever was pulled in. Quickly discovered it wasn't the lever, so I did a google and came across some useful general information from Dan's Motorcycle Repair website.

Clutches come in a number of designs, but they all are made to do two things.
[*]Help the motorcycle make a smooth start from a stationary position.
[*]Ease the transition of going from one gear to another.
Clutches are basically round baskets filled with alternating
fiber and steel plates heldClutch Fix - TRX850 Clutch5a together, tightly, with springs. One set of plates, usually the steel ones, is connected to the transmission. The other set, usually the fiber plates, is connected to the engine. The clutch lever compresses the springs so the plates are not pressed tightly together. This allows the clutch to disengage. This works pretty well and most times clutch life is quite good. However, as the clutch wears, the plates get thinner. This lessens the spring pressure. In addition, if you slip the clutch a lot as you engage it you can burn the plates a bit. All this is not good for the clutch and sooner or later you are going to need new plates.

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Most of the Japanese bikes have a wet plate clutch. This means the clutch runs in a bath of oil.  Dry plate clutches run dry with no oil. BMWs, some Harley-Davidsons, a few Japanese bikes, and others have dry clutches. 

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Repair is really quite simple. Remove the clutch cover, being careful to check for any washers from the kick starter that may stick to the inside of the clutch cover. Then loosen the nuts or bolts that hold and tension the clutch springs. Now remove the the clutch plates. On some clutches you pull the plates and the inner clutch basket as a unit after removing the nut or circlip holding it on.Clutch Fix - TRX850 Clutchcirclipa On others, you remove an outer clutch plate/spring carrier and then pull out the plates individually. There may be large rubber rings or large flat spring like things between the plates. There might be only one or there could be one between every plate. Sometimes the steel plates have a sort of dished out edge on one side, for better oiling I guess. Each one is staggered from the one before it and the one after it. Be sure and put all the plates, o-rings, washers, etc. back in the same order you took them out. Measure the thickness of the fiber plates and compare that measurement to the one given in your shop manual. If they are too thin replace them. If you do not have the thickness measurement just look at them. Most times if they are worn out they will LOOK worn out and/or smell burnt. If they smell burnt, replace them. Even if they look and measure good. Turn them on edge, both fiber and steel plates. If they are bent replace them. Look at the inner and outer fingers. If they are damaged or worn, replace them. Look at the clutch basket. Inspect the grooves the clutch plate fingers slide into. Both inner and outer. if they are badly worn, consider replacing the clutch basket.

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Take the new fiber plates and soak them in a pan of oil for an hour or two before assembly. If you are reusing the old plates you can just coat them with oil. Make sure that the outer clutch plate that carries the springs meshes right with the clutch basket. On some, they will only go in the right way, but on others the grooves will not line up right and this prevents the springs from pushing the plates together. Some clutches will have arrows that must match. Others won't have anything... you just have to make sure they mesh up right.

Most clutches have the disengagement mechanism in the center of the clutch.Clutch Fix - TRX850 Clutchrod1a Some activate it from the clutch cover and some use a rod going through the mainshaft of the transmission. This rod is activated by a cam or worm on one end of the rod, pushing the rod against the spring plate, releasing the clutch. This rod passes in front of the counter shaft sprocket and can easily be bent by small twigs and branches and gook thrown off by the rear chain. If you have this type and your clutch suddenly stops working, check here first for a bent clutch rod, before you tear the clutch apart. These rods can also be in two parts with a ball bearing between them. Some have a ball bearing only on the worm end. Don't let that ball bearing fall out and get lost.

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Clutch Fix - TRX850 Stuck_clutch3aSometimes, when a bike has been sitting a long time, like over winter, the clutch plates will stick together. You pull the clutch lever in but the plates will not disengage. About 60-70% of the time you can get them to release by running the bike up to 15-20 MPH and locking up the rear brake while you hold the clutch lever in (disengaged). If this does not break it loose, you will have to take the clutch cover off and with the lever held on, pry the plates apart with a screwdriver and reoil them a bit.

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Remember, most engines have a flat metal shim on the kick starter shaft. Lots of times it will stick to the clutch cover when you pull it off. Make sure you put it back on the kick starter.

After everything is finished and the clutch cover back on, don't forget to refill the engine with oil.

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Some clutches, like the BMWs, Norton Commandos and some Harleys, have a single (or two) Heavy spring that is held in by a large circlip. These require a special tool to remove.

The BSAs and Triumphs require a special puller to get the clutch basket off.

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All clutches must have a bit of free play in the cables and rods so the clutch springs can exert the maximum amount of pressure on the plates. If there is an adjustment screw on the rod, loosen the lock nut and tighten the screw until there is no more free play, then loosen it about 1/8 of a turn and tighten the lock nut. The adjustment screw can be right OR left thread, so watch out. A shop manual would be of help here. The adjusting screw can also be UNDER the clutch cover on the clutch spring plate. After you have made this adjustment, adjust the clutch cable keeping at least a little free play in the cable. Remember, on some bikes, the only adjustment is the free play of the clutch cable. Depending on the bike, the cable can be adjusted on both ends and in the center somewhere, only on both ends or only on one end.

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The bit in bold and italics caught my eye so I pulled the clutch cover off this morning, removed the springs, friction plates and clutch plates, separated them, oiled them and reassembled the whole thing. Presto, working perfectly (whew!). Gotta love Mr Google.  The whole thing was done in an hour.

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PS: Didn't have a new gasket so I won't be surprised if an oil leak appears. Now have one on order.
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Post  reddog Wed 04 May 2016, 12:29 pm

I had an rm80 that had a similar problem. I just flushed the gearbox oil, roll started it and rode it for a few minutes. Clutch was operational again


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Post  Chook Wed 04 May 2016, 12:32 pm

reddog wrote:I had an rm80 that had a similar problem. I just flashed the gearbox oil, roll started it and rode it for a few minutes. Clutch was operational again
I had a RM250 with similar problems but it was the aluminium cage, it had worn grooves into the fingers and the plates were catching
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Post  Bosco15 Thu 05 May 2016, 4:52 am

Nice work Dave. 
More TRX excursions required.  Smile

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Post  Ewok1958 Thu 05 May 2016, 8:59 am

I must admit Bosco, that I find it hard not to start turning the TRX into a café racer project.  The fairing dates it badly and there are enough after-market items out there to enable it to be removed, and the headlights and indicators to be replaced.  There are some good digital instruments to be had as well, although I'm not sure how easy that would be to install. I think it's best I don't think about that or I might be too tempted. Evil or Very Mad

Even a paint job could 'freshen it up'.  This one looks good, even with the standard fairing.

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Post  mtbeerwah Thu 05 May 2016, 9:10 am

Come on mate....do it...go naked!!!

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