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Post  BanditDave on Thu 05 Nov 2015, 6:48 am

I posted this on another forum but I thought you folk might also enjoy the discussion

Driverless Cars
Just been doing some reading on the technology behind the idea.

All is fine until the car is put in a situation where a challenging decision needs to be made.

Incidentally, this issue seems to have been debated since the 1960's and doesn't seem to have been resolved even today.

A common example is known as the "Trolley Problem".

A rail trolley (train??) is travelling along at speed and ahead of it are 5 people.
If the trolley continues on it's present course the 5 people will be killed.
You are standing to one side of the track and witnessing this event.
There is a lever that if you operate it will change the trolley to an alternative track thus avoiding the 5 people.
Unfortunately, there is a single person on the alternative track who will be killed if you operate the lever.

Your choices are:-
1. Do nothing and 5 people will be killed
2. Pull the lever to save the 5 people and only kill 1 person

The driverless car needs to be programmed to make such a decision.
Which is the correct decision?

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Post  Chook on Thu 05 Nov 2015, 7:31 am

Testing and demonstrations start this Saturday on Adelaide Southern Expressway which will be closed for a large part of the day




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Post  BanditDave on Thu 05 Nov 2015, 8:00 am

I had about four posts, now reduced to a single one.

Let's hope the driverless car software doesn't have "bad days"

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Post  paul on Thu 05 Nov 2015, 8:46 am

@BanditDave wrote:I had about four posts, now reduced to a single one.

Let's hope the driverless car software doesn't have "bad days"
Not far from my place ...............I might not venture out much on Saturday  affraid

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Post  Chook on Thu 05 Nov 2015, 9:43 am

@paul wrote:
@BanditDave wrote:I had about four posts, now reduced to a single one.

Let's hope the driverless car software doesn't have "bad days"
Not far from my place ...............I might not venture out much on Saturday  affraid

It'd be interesting (? or maybe not) to stand on one of the overpass bridges for a look
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Post  Bosco15 on Thu 05 Nov 2015, 10:11 am

I drive a diesel Hyundai iload for work. 
It stalled, without notice, whilst negotiating a left hand turn at an intersection.  
When the motor stops, so does the power steering. 
For all intents and purposes, the steering locked and I ended up halfway on the wrong side of the road. 
Now, I understand that a computer can react far quicker than a human, but what happens when the steering fails and a computer is driving? 
What happens when the computer driving fails? 
Computers do glich, error, fail and on a regular basis in my experience.  
It will happen, eventually, and then the multi billion dollar effort will be all for naught. 
I am dubious about fly by wire cars let alone autonomous vehicles.  
Sometimes technology for technologys sake just doesn't make sense to me 

As for the lever, thats someone else's problem,  as I was never there and the idiots on the track should know better.  Lol

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Post  mtbeerwah on Thu 05 Nov 2015, 10:46 am

Driverless Cars...........for fuck sakes!!!

This is what public transportation is for, not to be chauffeured around by a robot.

I also hate automatics, which it seems all manufactures seem to think, the masses want...WRONG, I don`t!!!!
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Post  madmax on Thu 05 Nov 2015, 10:40 pm

I don't know what you guys are worried about. Driverless cars have been around for years. Or sorry should that be brainless cars

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Post  jstava on Fri 06 Nov 2015, 1:49 pm

No good in a nuclear apocalypse.  Thermonuclear explosions produce electromagnetic pulses which destroy electronic circuits.  "Clean bombs" can be used to disable transport and communications within a predictable radius.  

Makes mental note never to sell the old diesel Hilux.

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Post  Re-Cycled on Fri 06 Nov 2015, 6:04 pm

@madmax wrote:I don't know what you guys are worried about. Driverless cars have been around for years.

Yes our car seems to reach it's destination with only my wife onboard. Smile

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Post  paul on Sat 07 Nov 2015, 2:53 pm

Oh dear.......................... Evil or Very Mad

https://au.news.yahoo.com/video/watch/30021235/stephen-mullighan-gaffe-driverless-car-demonstration/#page1

& this one....................... http://techcrunch.com/2015/10/09/dont-blame-the-robot-drivers/#.7ewuxoe:YY4C

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Post  madmax on Sat 07 Nov 2015, 4:18 pm

@paul wrote:Oh dear.......................... Evil or Very Mad

https://au.news.yahoo.com/video/watch/30021235/stephen-mullighan-gaffe-driverless-car-demonstration/#page1

Maybe he was after some roo steaks

@paul wrote: & this one....................... http://techcrunch.com/2015/10/09/dont-blame-the-robot-drivers/#.7ewuxoe:YY4C

What a load of shit, typical google blaming everyone else
"laying the blame for all 11 incidents at the hands of the other human drivers"
Not much bloody good if it can't work around a problem

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Post  paul on Sat 07 Nov 2015, 4:42 pm

I hope they have lots of money  

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-34475031

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Post  BanditDave on Sat 07 Nov 2015, 4:50 pm

I reckon they will most likely blame the kangaroo - Poor Skippy, where's Ranger Rex (or was it Ranger Hammond!) when he is needed?

Also as commented on another forum. Why do we need all of these cars on the roads. Hasn't anybody heard of a vehicle called a BUS?

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Post  mtbeerwah on Sat 07 Nov 2015, 5:09 pm

just put the "bar code", in the back of my neck now, and be done with it!!
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Post  madmax on Sat 07 Nov 2015, 5:22 pm

@mtbeerwah wrote:just put the "bar code", in the back of my neck now, and be done with it!!

Wont be going bar codes mate, that's all old hat now. It'll be microchips with GPS tracking

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Post  MattyC on Sat 07 Nov 2015, 9:32 pm

What next...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du7mSCmBxuY

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Post  madmax on Sun 08 Nov 2015, 10:11 am

@MattyC wrote:What next...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du7mSCmBxuY


WHY ?

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Post  Chook on Sun 08 Nov 2015, 10:25 am

@madmax wrote:
@MattyC wrote:What next...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du7mSCmBxuY


WHY ?
I can only think of 1 reason, because they can.

Why else would you want a robot in control of a motorbike, imagine stting pilion behind that ffs!
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Post  gus on Sun 08 Nov 2015, 10:33 am

Forget the cars . It will be driver-less trucks you have to worry about . Darwin to Perth with no driver ,no breaks needed
moving 24 hrs a day .
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Post  Kiwisteve on Sun 08 Nov 2015, 10:37 am

@gus wrote:Forget the cars . It will be driver-less trucks you have to worry about . Darwin to Perth with no driver ,no breaks needed
moving 24 hrs a day .
Which means no more jobs for a few of us on this forum! 
I'm pretty sure it won't happen in my working lifetime tho,,,, I hope

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Post  madmax on Sun 08 Nov 2015, 10:46 am

@Chook wrote:
@madmax wrote:
@MattyC wrote:What next...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du7mSCmBxuY


WHY ?
I can only think of 1 reason, because they can.

Why else would you want a robot in control of a motorbike, imagine stting pilion behind that ffs!

Yeah I reckon its just a test bed. Otherwise there's no point.

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Post  Chook on Sun 08 Nov 2015, 10:49 am

@Kiwisteve wrote:
@gus wrote:Forget the cars . It will be driver-less trucks you have to worry about . Darwin to Perth with no driver ,no breaks needed
moving 24 hrs a day .
Which means no more jobs for a few of us on this forum! 
I'm pretty sure it won't happen in my working lifetime tho,,,, I hope
I can see long distance driverless trains happening well before anything on the road. Sydney-Perth, Adelaide-Darwin
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Post  BanditDave on Sun 08 Nov 2015, 12:28 pm

It makes perfect sense to me to use rail freight instead of road freight.

I would also suggest it would be cheaper per ton of freight.

Also there is not the same level of interaction with trains running on tracks away from the roads.

Am I missing something in my thinking??

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