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Post  Ewok1958 on Sun 27 Sep 2015, 6:25 pm

I wasn't sure if I should put under the rant thread or not, but I don't want to just have a rant.  The following pic was taken by 2WA and I hope he doesn't mind me using it for this thread ( Smile ). It concerns oncoming vehicles using up their side of the road and some of ours, specifically on right-hand bends.



Unfortunately, we're seeing this happen more and more, whether in the car or on the bike. Cagers doing right-handers appear to have little regard for the dividing line, and travel at a speed that means they have to cross the line to get around the bend without braking (something they seem strangely reluctant to do).  Of course it is worse for us on bikes (entering it as a left-hander) as we tend to enter a left-hander from as wide as possible to "open-up the corner".  Oncoming cagers are more used to cars that do exactly the opposite, ie cagers entering a left-hander tend to hug the inside of the corner, meaning there is far less chance of a cager-cager head-on compared to a cager-biker head-on.

I raise this because yesterday a motorcyclist was killed on the Tarthra-Bermagui Rd in an accident with a Nissan Patrol. Details of the accident haven't been released so I don't know if the above scenario was applicable or not. But, it seems to me that the number of corner-cutters is increasing and that's putting us all more at risk.

I see this so much that I'm actually considering going to see the Bega police/Bega News to see if something can be done to raise awareness of the issue.

Are others seeing an increase in right-hander corner-cutters?
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Post  mtbeerwah on Sun 27 Sep 2015, 6:40 pm

The day they invent the "Dick Head Detector",  will be a great day for us all.
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Post  reddog on Sun 27 Sep 2015, 6:53 pm

You just have to be wary of it mate. I have nearly been cleaned up by a ute that was towing a boat around a very tight hair pin. The knob head obviously didn't read the 30km sign and ran wide, I was a bit shaken up but more shitty about it to be honest. I did feel like turning around and going and giving the bloke a burst about it, however I feel they only get the point when they actually run over and severely injure or kill someone
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Post  Chook on Sun 27 Sep 2015, 7:04 pm

@Ewok1958 wrote:  Of course it is worse for us on bikes (entering it as a left-hander) as we tend to enter a left-hander from as wide as possible to "open-up the corner".  Oncoming cagers are more used to cars that do exactly the opposite, ie cagers entering a left-hander tend to hug the inside of the corner, meaning there is far less chance of a cager-cager head-on compared to a cager-biker head-on.
I've done a couple of defensive driving courses, that's how everyone should take a left hander, no matter what you are driving/riding, and the opposite for a right hander, it gives you vision further around the corner
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Post  mtbeerwah on Sun 27 Sep 2015, 7:18 pm

@Ewok1958 wrote:.
Are others seeing an increase in right-hander corner-cutters?

YES..

But not only does this make the hair on my neck stand up, its the same issue with round-a-bouts.

You approach a twin lane round-a-bout, and when you go through, I estimate 95% of cars don`t stick to their lane, and cut across the line almost t-boning you,     "cause its so hard keeping inside those lines"  I mean, its a real effort.
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Post  paul on Sun 27 Sep 2015, 8:00 pm

Some wanker side swiped my dad's car when I was a kid doing this exact thing on a trip through the hills while I was sitting in the drivers side rear seat , & so I tend to be fairly cautious of it .I think cars have become safer , & a lot of the drivers worse ..............It seems like a lot of them aren't competent to drive some of the larger vehicles on the road & others seem to live in a cocoon . 
 I can't believe 2WA was "only" going 57 KPH ........ Razz

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Post  reddog on Mon 28 Sep 2015, 11:11 am

Must have been slowing down, the 12.5l per100 give the game away Smile
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Post  2wheelsagain on Mon 28 Sep 2015, 11:59 am

@reddog wrote:Must have been slowing down, the 12.5l per100 give the game away Smile


The Walhalla Rd is a good one to run up and down the clock in 2nd and 3rd. I was probably coming off a high 8000ish RPM to show 12.5lt/100km. A stock-ish B1250 would use 3rd & 4th Smile
I don't mind you posting the pic Dave. Now the weather is improving its a timely reminder.
Remember that at that point of "their" corner they're heading back to their side so earlier on they were well over on my side.

You know that road well mate and any rider who doesn't treat it with respect for this reason probably wont be riding home.


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Post  barry_mcki on Mon 28 Sep 2015, 12:04 pm

Just to make you feel better Paul and keep up the mystic of our dutiful moderator ....


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Post  madmax on Mon 28 Sep 2015, 2:47 pm

Seems to be a common theme - 4WDs

This taken east of Warburton on the Warburton Hwy. Road is plenty wide enough to stay on his side.

GoPro lens makes it look further away than it really was

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Post  #Tag on Mon 28 Sep 2015, 2:49 pm

Small point Ewok.  This was not the scenario on the weekend.
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Post  2wheelsagain on Mon 28 Sep 2015, 2:59 pm

@madmax wrote:

GoPro lens makes it look further away than it really was
Imagine how close mine was  affraid

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Post  Ewok1958 on Mon 28 Sep 2015, 3:28 pm

#Tag wrote:Small point Ewok.  This was not the scenario on the weekend.

Ta #Tag. Glad to hear that. cheers
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Post  paul on Mon 28 Sep 2015, 6:10 pm

@barry_mcki wrote:Just to make you feel better Paul and keep up the mystic of our dutiful moderator ....

Thank you for recognising my anguish Barry , and putting my mind to rest with regards to our fearless leader in residence  ; as my dear old mother used to say , " you're worth your weight in cocky shit " . 
I have , unfortunately another concern , that being that he has been seen to occasionally post in some strange form of " Iphonespeak " which I fear we may all have to learn to communicate with him i.e. " Quote " Every time Paul posts my notification says Post Who re Agsin . 
This may once again just be another oversight on my part  , only time will tell  Razz Laughing

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Post  2wheelsagain on Mon 28 Sep 2015, 6:15 pm

Paul you pist hare!

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Post  paul on Mon 28 Sep 2015, 6:16 pm

@2wheelsagain wrote:Paul you pist hare!
The scary thing is , I can understand what you are saying ............... lol!

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Post  Ewok1958 on Mon 28 Sep 2015, 6:17 pm

@madmax wrote:Seems to be a common theme - 4WDs

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Is it because 4WDs are big and heavy (2.5t) and are harder to slow/stop, so many 4WD drivers don't bother, or apply some but not enough, braking effort, and then have to cut the corner to get around it (or run off the road)?  I've owed a few 4WDs since 1999 and they do not handle like sedans.  Add a boat or heavy load and the weight/momentum issue gets worse.
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Post  paul on Mon 28 Sep 2015, 6:19 pm

@Ewok1958 wrote:
@madmax wrote:Seems to be a common theme - 4WDs

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Is it because 4WDs are big and heavy (2.5t) and are harder to slow/stop, so many 4WD drivers don't bother, or apply some but not enough, braking effort, and then have to cut the corner to get around it (or run off the road)?  I've owed a few 4WDs since 1999 and they do not handle like sedans.  Add a boat or heavy load and the weight/momentum issue gets worse.
Maybe there should be a separate driving course for that type of vehicle .

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Post  madmax on Mon 28 Sep 2015, 7:02 pm

@Ewok1958 wrote:
@madmax wrote:Seems to be a common theme - 4WDs

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Is it because 4WDs are big and heavy (2.5t) and are harder to slow/stop, so many 4WD drivers don't bother, or apply some but not enough, braking effort, and then have to cut the corner to get around it (or run off the road)?  I've owed a few 4WDs since 1999 and they do not handle like sedans.  Add a boat or heavy load and the weight/momentum issue gets worse.

That's not really an excuse, you drive to the abilities of the vehicle., bigger the vehicle the slower you take the bends the more time you give yourself to stop/slow

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Post  Kiwisteve on Wed 30 Sep 2015, 6:36 pm

Well said MM. I ride, drive a 4x4 & also drive a truck. Everything on the road has to be driven/ridden differently.

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Post  Cardboard Tube Samurai on Wed 30 Sep 2015, 7:16 pm

@madmax wrote:
@Ewok1958 wrote:
@madmax wrote:Seems to be a common theme - 4WDs

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Is it because 4WDs are big and heavy (2.5t) and are harder to slow/stop, so many 4WD drivers don't bother, or apply some but not enough, braking effort, and then have to cut the corner to get around it (or run off the road)?  I've owed a few 4WDs since 1999 and they do not handle like sedans.  Add a boat or heavy load and the weight/momentum issue gets worse.

That's not really an excuse, you drive to the abilities of the vehicle., bigger the vehicle the slower you take the bends the more time you give yourself to stop/slow
Well, sensible people do anyway. But I guess that's the point here
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Post  V17R on Wed 30 Sep 2015, 8:22 pm

@Kiwisteve wrote:Well said MM. I ride, drive a 4x4 & also drive a truck. Everything on the road has to be driven/ridden differently.

if only everyone understood that
I've no issues with 4wd's towing over 3 tonne caravans as long as they are competent
Unfortunately a lot jump from Commodore's or similar into a Ranger or V8 Cruiser hook up the giant van with no training required
right up there with LR licence holders. I wish they had to do some sort of course towing over 2 tonnes or so.
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Post  Kiwisteve on Thu 01 Oct 2015, 6:19 pm

@V17R wrote:
@Kiwisteve wrote:Well said MM. I ride, drive a 4x4 & also drive a truck. Everything on the road has to be driven/ridden differently.

if only everyone understood that
I've no issues with 4wd's towing over 3 tonne caravans as long as they are competent
Unfortunately a lot jump from Commodore's or similar into a Ranger or V8 Cruiser hook up the giant van with no training required
right up there with LR licence holders. I wish they had to do some sort of course towing over 2 tonnes or so.
Don't forget the ones that go from holding their licences for 40 odd years, & commuting on a train to an office to shine a nice leather chair with their asses, & then go out & buy a 4x4 to tow their shiney new caravans!  Mad

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True

Post  Corsa79 on Thu 01 Oct 2015, 8:00 pm

It also goes for bikes people go for a Q-ride course jump on a big powerful bike without learning the way they should. Rode all my life only accidents I have had where slow speed ones while learning eg pulling up on side of road. Dropping on intersection where there was dirt dropped from trucks. You cant be good at anything after one day or changing vehicles. Even going from one bike to another I take a few days or weeks to get familiar. I think there really should be more training for people in four wheel drives and anyone caravanning like you have to do with a truck. I also have my HR and that's my day job and the shit I have seen is astounding wish I had a camera in the truck
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Post  barry_mcki on Thu 01 Oct 2015, 8:52 pm

The old couple next door to my mother-in-law used to go on a month's interstate driving holiday each year pulling a quite sizeable caravan.

He must of been in his 80's and never had an accident, driven all over Australia including the outback.

He also never drove faster than 40 kph.

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