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Post  2wheelsagain on Wed 22 Oct 2014, 3:01 pm

Now that I have your attention Twisted Evil

Do we have anyone in the engineering game who could knock me up a couple of special “sump plug” type bolts?
What I’m after is M12 with a 1mm pitch X 15 – 20mm which is as rear as rocking horse shit!
I have removed a cable from a non Bandit and need to replace the cable fixing screw. Smile
Material won’t really matter. Brass, SS, Ally, MS would be fine. It’s not load bearing but is subject to radiated heat. cyclops
I actually only need 1 but thought it might be easier to make 2.
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Post  barry_mcki on Wed 22 Oct 2014, 4:59 pm

I would not have thought a M12x1.0 would be that difficult to find until I started looking, ain't too common as you said.  

A quick eBay search came up with a sump plug for a BMW final drive that is listed for $45 or a set of 8 ARP Honda Flywheel bolts for $75.

Would this idea work ? Get an AN4 to M12x1.0 adaptor (which seem to be pretty common) along with with an AN4 cap to block off the hole - total cost about $10 - $15:




Or if you don't want alloy, go steel, grind off the AN section and weld up the hole:


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Post  2wheelsagain on Wed 22 Oct 2014, 5:02 pm

Thanks mate they're options. 
I could probably get one made for $20.
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Post  BanditDave on Wed 22 Oct 2014, 5:02 pm

Here are a couple of leads.I think he first one may be able t supply.

US supplier
http://www.newmantools.com/stock.htm
 
Here’s a die should you with to cut your own thread
http://www.amazon.com/Metric-Right-Thread-1-0mm-Pitch/dp/B007IDFWT6/ref=pd_rhf_se_s_cp_1_A2BX?ie=UTF8&refRID=175KRPPBEPXYHH4CD760
 
mentions m12 x 1.0, 1.25, 1.5 &1.75
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/metric-threads-d_777.html

http://www.probolt-australia.com/stainless-steel/stainless-steel-motorcycle-special-parts.html?cat=736&thread_washer_dia=188

It seems that this thread pitch is used on 'banjo bolts' in hydraulic/brake systems. Maybe your local brake specialist can assist.

BTW During my "internet dredging" I came across Sex Bolts. These are bolts with internal threads. I think they are/were used in bookbinding.


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Post  barry_mcki on Wed 22 Oct 2014, 5:26 pm

Or re-drill and tap M14x1.5  Plugs are then only about $14

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Post  2wheelsagain on Thu 23 Oct 2014, 9:30 am

Thanks guys.
It would be easier although less attractive to just refit the cable without hooking it into the actuator.
I have a bit of exhause bandage covering the hole at the moment but it probably wont last long.
I've run out of time to do something before the weekend but I'll visit a local engineering joint next week and see if I can get one made out of alloy or brass.

Banjo bolts are way to long. Only have room for 12 - 15mm as there is an internal shoulder it seats on.

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Post  barry_mcki on Thu 23 Oct 2014, 10:02 am

So what exactly are you doing, sounds like an O2 sensor you're taking out ?  Pic's ?

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Post  2wheelsagain on Thu 23 Oct 2014, 11:39 am

@barry_mcki wrote:So what exactly are you doing, sounds like an O2 sensor you're taking out ?  Pic's ?

Barry the VFR1200 has a 2 stage muffler. The first stage is a small pipe and the second is a much larger pipe with a flap covering it that remains closed until about 4,500rpm. Its actuated by an ECU controlled servo and not throttle position so the opening and closing varies especially on the over run. This set up also helps the VFR pass noise regs as a drive by on low throttle or stationary without load will see the flap remain closed.

Honda set it up in such a way (thankfully) that the default position is open and the cable/servo actually closes it. So by removing the cable or unhooking from the servo the flap is open. This equals more power and a much improved note over the original singer sewing machine sound unless really up it.

It’s interesting to note that most aftermarket pipes show not much more than 1hp gain over OEM so they’re pretty well designed. If only they weren’t big and weigh 5.5kg but its very hard to get an aftermarket unit that looks good with panniers on and off.

So I have removed the cable completely and I’m now left with a “nut” welded to the top of the muffler about 2/3 of the way along. Exhaust gasses exit from the opening straight onto the bottom of the RH pannier. It shouldn’t be enough to melt it but I basically have a hole in the exhaust. Just need to replace the threaded bit in the pic Smile


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Post  BanditDave on Thu 23 Oct 2014, 12:20 pm

Hi 2WA,

If the cable is truly redundant why not remove the "threaded thingy" from the end and fill it with muffler putty (or for a more elegant job maybe silver solder or bronze)

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Post  2wheelsagain on Thu 23 Oct 2014, 12:58 pm

@BanditDave wrote:Hi 2WA,

If the cable is truly redundant why not remove the "threaded thingy" from the end and fill it with muffler putty (or for a more elegant job maybe silver solder or bronze)

Mate that was my first thought. Then one of the voices in my head said I might need to go "OEM" one day (stock can had to be fitted to the B1250 when I traded it) and it would mean cutting the cable to get the nut off. If all else fails and its looking like it will, I'll have a plug made for small change.

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Post  BanditDave on Thu 23 Oct 2014, 1:09 pm

Hi 2WA,

It is a bit alarming to hear the dealer insisting on your bike being "original" when you trade it.
Lucky you kept the original. I wonder how many have "binned" the original muffler when they upgraded.
I traded my Bandit with HID headlights which I am still unsure of the legality of even today. Cool
I guess this is a warning to others if you fit a fender eliminator, small indicators or other handlebars, don't throw away the original equipment.

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Post  2wheelsagain on Thu 23 Oct 2014, 1:16 pm

@BanditDave wrote:Hi 2WA,

It is a bit alarming to hear the dealer insisting on your bike being "original" when you trade it.
Lucky you kept the original. I wonder how many have "binned" the original muffler when they upgraded.
I traded my Bandit with HID headlights which I am still unsure of the legality of even today. Cool
I guess this is a warning to others if you fit a fender eliminator, small indicators or other handlebars, don't throw away the original equipment.

Its a Vic thing mate. Mainly at dealers. Private roadworthy wouldnt be a problem. If I didnt have OEM gear I would have lost some barganing power.

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Post  barry_mcki on Thu 23 Oct 2014, 1:34 pm

Thanks Chris.  Yep, know what you mean about keeping things original so they can be put back to standard, I haven't even turfed out my secondary butterfly discs.  

I think the AN fitting would be your cheapest option if you can't get a plug the right size, you could tell the LEO's its the " Post Catylitic Convertor Sensor Installation Terminal", plus you could have it colour matched Razz

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Post  madmax on Fri 24 Oct 2014, 7:59 am

@2wheelsagain wrote:
@BanditDave wrote:Hi 2WA,

It is a bit alarming to hear the dealer insisting on your bike being "original" when you trade it.
Lucky you kept the original. I wonder how many have "binned" the original muffler when they upgraded.
I traded my Bandit with HID headlights which I am still unsure of the legality of even today. Cool
I guess this is a warning to others if you fit a fender eliminator, small indicators or other handlebars, don't throw away the original equipment.

Its a Vic thing mate. Mainly at dealers. Private roadworthy wouldnt be a problem. If I didnt have OEM gear I would have lost some barganing power.

That's all it would be, just an excuse to mark you down on the trade in value. Gives them the upper hand.

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Post  Kaupy1962 on Sat 01 Nov 2014, 10:52 am

Hey Chris Did you end up getting a bolt?

I can cut a 1.0mm pitch thread.
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Post  BanditDave on Sat 01 Nov 2014, 12:34 pm

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You might get a heap of unsolicited phone calls as a consequence.

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Post  2wheelsagain on Sat 01 Nov 2014, 5:42 pm

@Kaupy1962 wrote:Hey Chris Did you end up getting a bolt?

I can cut a 1.0mm pitch thread.
No John I've had no luck even at a specialist bolt shop in Traralgon last Tuesday. 
I'll be up in Wang sometime this month and if you're offering to make me one I'd be grateful thanks mate.
Material won't matter. M12 X 1mm X 12mm would be ideal.  Think of a small sump plug. A fiber washer would be handy too but I could probably get one of them.
Is this possible John?

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Post  Ewok1958 on Sun 02 Nov 2014, 6:52 am

I can send you a fibre washer if you need one. I bought the Aldi $4.99 pack of assorted fibre wahers jut the other day.
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Post  Kiwisteve on Sun 02 Nov 2014, 7:00 am

The stuff Aldi stocks ^^^.
Hmm, maybe they'll have the afore mentioned butt plugs one day! Shocked

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Post  2wheelsagain on Sun 02 Nov 2014, 8:12 am

Thanks Dave but I reckon I'd be right for a washer.

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Post  Bosco15 on Sun 02 Nov 2014, 8:34 am

@2wheelsagain wrote:Thanks Dave but I reckon I'd be right for a washer.

But what about your butt plug? Embarassed

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Post  2wheelsagain on Sun 02 Nov 2014, 8:45 am

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@2wheelsagain wrote:Thanks Dave but I reckon I'd be right for a washer.

But what about your butt plug? Embarassed
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Post  Kaupy1962 on Sun 09 Nov 2014, 8:35 am

Chris. I'll get onto it asap. I think I have some hex to make it out of.
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Post  2wheelsagain on Sun 09 Nov 2014, 8:42 am

Thanks very much John. Smile

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Post  Kaupy1962 on Sun 09 Nov 2014, 10:33 am

Hey Chris, Head of the bolt will be 17 mm. Is that ok? It's the smallest hex I have at the moment.
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