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Are learner riders a target for some?

Post  dhula on Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:30 pm

So far my son has racked up 2 3/4 hours riding time (which doesn't count the time he spent in the back yard learning clutch/brake control and then the 3 or so hours he spent in a carpark learning even more bike control skills). He hasn't even ventured out onto a semi busy street yet, we've kept him in the quiet back streets to help build his confidence and basic skills first. He's not the fastest and is still quite timid but he's learning.

So far he has been cut off twice by cars as it is more important they get there first, tailgated through the local woolies carpark (this fuckwit pulled out between him and his mum almost causing her to hit the car), has had to contend with some fucktard in a commonhore speeding up to try and get in first at a round about (when all was said and done; he entered the roundabout first with sufficient space, panicked when he saw the car speeding up towards him and slowed down - thank begesus he got away with it and made it home).

Admittedly he's riding a 200cc road/trail so not the most stand outy kinda bike, but all this makes me think that the yellow "L" plate on the back makes him a target for some to see how far they can push things.

Maybe I'm being a bit over sensitive cause it's mine and my wifes DNA out there in front.


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Post  paul on Sat 19 Jul 2014, 1:04 am

Sad , and not usually that common , but I have been told similar stories by learners I've spoken to .  Evil or Very Mad

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Post  jeeringjason72 on Sat 19 Jul 2014, 4:55 am

Had similar experiences teaching my son to drive 
It's like the L plate is some kind of target to some?

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Post  gus on Sat 19 Jul 2014, 6:29 am

Carol had to do a clutch, brake start on a very steep hill due to traffic works (L plate on ) . She was in front of the cue . Took her an extra  15 seconds to get it organised . Buy this time a guy
had jumped the cue and was heading for the wrong side of the road entrance to miss Carol by mm .
I  lost the plot and a big road rage incident accoured  on the side of the road  due to the fact he
 had to stop around the courner due to more traffic works .
He thought killing a L plater and beating up a 62 year old in one day was Ok .
I was so happy to spoil his day on both counts .
Every nut case seem to be able to get a licence .
Ever  thought it strange ,an L plater can fail a licence test . Be told your bad ,go back and
play in the traffic some more and come back . Shocked
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Post  Re-Cycled on Sat 19 Jul 2014, 6:51 am

It's not paranoia, they really out to get you! I always try to remember that.

Also every one should have one of these just so they can be aware of your displeasure.

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Post  Hammy on Sat 19 Jul 2014, 7:26 am

One thing I always used to tell Jan. After passing a car, truck etc. Be sure to accelerate and put a little distance between you and the vehicle. ( if possible ).  I know when I am driving a car there is nothing worse than someone passing you then just sitting right in front of you. What was the point ?  People do get annoyed with slow driver/riders.

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Post  2wheelsagain on Sat 19 Jul 2014, 7:30 am

The more scared/timid he is the worse it will seem mate.
Get him over that phase quickly by doing a heap of free flowing km on open roads. Bike control will become second nature and he will own his space. 
I've taught L's with family members in cars and bikes and to me it's about seat time.
Find some back roads that give 30 mins without stopping and review and coach when you stop.


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Post  Hammy on Sat 19 Jul 2014, 8:04 am

@2wheelsagain wrote:The more scared/timid he is the worse it will seem mate.
Get him over that phase quickly by doing a heap of free flowing km on open roads. Bike control will become second nature and he will own his space. 
I've taught L's with family members in cars and bikes and to me it's about seat time.
Find some back roads that give 30 mins without stopping and review and coach when you stop.

Good advice.   Wink

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Post  #Tag on Sat 19 Jul 2014, 8:48 am

Learning clutch/brake control takes a certain number of hours.

Learning how to deal with human nature takes a lifetime.
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Post  madmax on Sat 19 Jul 2014, 9:06 am

Quite simply the attitude of drivers these days is very selfish. They will do everything they can to get out in front of the slower driver/rider. Be that a learner a caravan or trailer or a semi.

The arsehole tailgating your son probably couldn't get past so tried to make him go faster. I noticed all these things when I was teaching my son to drive

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Post  Hammy on Sat 19 Jul 2014, 9:28 am

And these very things probably account for the way that some young driver/riders drive. They are just copying what they see when they are learning.  I know. They get taught the right things. But once they have that license. Look out. I'm in no way saying all young drivers are like that. JMHO, for what it's worth.

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Post  snitter on Thu 24 Jul 2014, 11:00 am

!Tag wrote:Learning how to deal with human nature takes a lifetime.

Very true!

People have absolutely no patience with learners, be they on two wheels or four. Especially in Canberra, where drivers seem to think the posted speed limit + 20 or so is the absolute minimum speed, regardless of conditions. You'd think they never had to learn to drive...
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Post  2wheelsagain on Thu 24 Jul 2014, 12:39 pm

Only yesterday I was asked for some advice by a learner who was hesitant to get on the road even though they held their permit for a few months.
That advice was to "ride defensively aggressive".
I then went onto explain what I meant.

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Post  stu on Wed 27 Aug 2014, 11:47 pm

whist people in cars try to kill me on the bike most days, I also noticed it more as a L plater...

maybe as others have said, it happens more because the L rider is riding slower and is seen as holding up traffic more? Add in a dangerous idiot or two, and hey presto...

Perhaps it would be best to get some earlier experience in quieter areas away from traffic until basic skills are ok?
EDIT: Oh. I see that is where it is happening.

Bottom line is riding motorbikes IS dangerous.

Happens to me less now cos I always add speed and space to get away from traffic. You are more likely to be involved in a crash if you think like a car....

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Post  dhula on Sat 30 Aug 2014, 11:13 am

All really good advice and points. Much of which I practice each day I'm on the road and what I try to impart to our son as he learns to ride/drive.
I especially like and use 2WA "ride defensively aggressive" and another when driving "look right, look left, look bike" which he started saying before we did.

Happy to say he is still keen as mustard with his learning to ride and hasn't been put off yet even though he has had a few close calls (a couple of his own making).

He's been riding to/from school twice a week (that way mum gets a short ride and the other son gets a dink from mum so everyones happy) and doing about an hour each weekend day as well.

He's still got a few hours to do before we consider stumping up for an instructor lead lesson so he can learn how to pass the test but he is getting much better and learning very well, plus I'd like to think he is enjoying riding and that is what counts.

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Post  2wheelsagain on Sat 30 Aug 2014, 11:32 am

Good to see he hasnt been put off Smile
Show him the youtube clip I posted here last night. It sums up riding better that I've ever seen.

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