Differences between NSW and Vic
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Differences between NSW and Vic
Something interesting I stubbled upon today.
road rules differences between NSW and Vic
road rules differences between NSW and Vic
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Re: Differences between NSW and Vic
Very interesting
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Re: Differences between NSW and Vic
Interesting, but are they that much different? The rules themselves seem pretty much the same - mostly common sense! Fines vary for pretty much the same offences. With the use of cameras these days, I would like to see them hammer the drivers who won't move over for an emergency vehicle. Take their photo and book em later!
What's interesting is a couple I noticed after moving up from Vic to NT.
In NT:
1. It is Illegal to do a U turn at traffic lights unless signposted. In Vic it was always OK (well as far as I knew). Mate was booked for this just after I arrived! Tried to argue with the copper but he thought it was illegal in all other states, so didn't pursue it. Ignorance of the law is no excuse in court!
2. You can drive with a open alcohol container up here. Illegal in Victoria!
3. .05 is the same limit - but in NT it is only a fine if you are caught with a reading between 0.05 and .079. For 0.08 onwards is loss of licence (in all cases that I know of). In Vic, up to .049 is good, but from .05 on is loss of licence.
4. Stop signs and give way signs in NT have different wheighting. When I did my licence tests in around 1980, in Vic we learned they mean pretty much the same thing - except one has to Stop on a Stop sign. Up here, if one person is on a Stop, and the other on a give Way - the person on the Give Way goes first (I argued about this here - and finally found this was the case here).
There are probably dozens of other subtle differences. I feel sorry for the Military who are moved around - dunno how they ever keep up with the local laws.
Something to be said about standardising laws across states - as long as the 130 limit (or no limit) remains for the really open roads
Cheers, Steve
What's interesting is a couple I noticed after moving up from Vic to NT.
In NT:
1. It is Illegal to do a U turn at traffic lights unless signposted. In Vic it was always OK (well as far as I knew). Mate was booked for this just after I arrived! Tried to argue with the copper but he thought it was illegal in all other states, so didn't pursue it. Ignorance of the law is no excuse in court!
2. You can drive with a open alcohol container up here. Illegal in Victoria!
3. .05 is the same limit - but in NT it is only a fine if you are caught with a reading between 0.05 and .079. For 0.08 onwards is loss of licence (in all cases that I know of). In Vic, up to .049 is good, but from .05 on is loss of licence.
4. Stop signs and give way signs in NT have different wheighting. When I did my licence tests in around 1980, in Vic we learned they mean pretty much the same thing - except one has to Stop on a Stop sign. Up here, if one person is on a Stop, and the other on a give Way - the person on the Give Way goes first (I argued about this here - and finally found this was the case here).
There are probably dozens of other subtle differences. I feel sorry for the Military who are moved around - dunno how they ever keep up with the local laws.
Something to be said about standardising laws across states - as long as the 130 limit (or no limit) remains for the really open roads
Cheers, Steve
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U turns in Vic are legal at all intersections unless sign posted otherwise.
Sounds like NT is the same as WA illegal unless a sign permits.
I agree the basic laws need standardizing across all the states and territories. You could still have some state only laws such as parking bikes on footpaths and hook turns needed in Melbourne for the tram intersections.
Sounds like NT is the same as WA illegal unless a sign permits.
I agree the basic laws need standardizing across all the states and territories. You could still have some state only laws such as parking bikes on footpaths and hook turns needed in Melbourne for the tram intersections.
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Its definitely illegal to perform a U Turn at traffic lights in NSW and I think QLD also. Can you imagine the congestion caused by U Turners at lights in peak hour, I think its a good law.
As for the stop sign Vs give way sign, the give way sign always has right of way no matter who's turning left or right.
The one rule NSW can't get right is anything to do with bloody roundabouts. Its first in best dressed here which is a shit rule. Not as shit however as indicating left to exit a roundabout whilst going straight through. The oldies just can't seem to get it right at all.
If you have an accident at a roundabout in NSW you'd better hope you've renewed your insurance policy as the grey area is bigger than the sky on a summers day in Tassie. VIC has it spot on, give way to the right and everyones happy. If everyone did that there would never be an accident at a roundabout. Thats how they're supposed to operate.
Im Kent Brockman and thats my 2c.
As for the stop sign Vs give way sign, the give way sign always has right of way no matter who's turning left or right.
The one rule NSW can't get right is anything to do with bloody roundabouts. Its first in best dressed here which is a shit rule. Not as shit however as indicating left to exit a roundabout whilst going straight through. The oldies just can't seem to get it right at all.
If you have an accident at a roundabout in NSW you'd better hope you've renewed your insurance policy as the grey area is bigger than the sky on a summers day in Tassie. VIC has it spot on, give way to the right and everyones happy. If everyone did that there would never be an accident at a roundabout. Thats how they're supposed to operate.
Im Kent Brockman and thats my 2c.
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Have to agree totally with you re the roundabouts JTB. This idiotic idea that you have to indicate when exiting doesn't work. I continually see people indicating they are turning when they are actually going straight ahead - it's a recipe for accidents. Rule #1: Never trust an indicator on a roundabout - it could mean anything.
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This is the response I got from Queensland Transport to an email seeking clarification on roundabout rules for a specific roundabout up here
If you approach the roundabout at the intersection of Boat Harbour Drive and Hervey Bay Road in Hervey Bay from Hervey Bay Road and you wish to exit into Boat Harbour Drive, you should indicate right on the approach. You may position your vehicle in either lane. You should use your left turn indicator once you have passed the Old Maryborough Street exit but before you exit onto Boat Harbour Drive.
If you approach the roundabout at the intersection of Boat Harbour Drive and Hervey Bay Road in Hervey Bay from Hervey Bay Road and you wish to exit into Boat Harbour Drive, you should indicate right on the approach. You may position your vehicle in either lane. You should use your left turn indicator once you have passed the Old Maryborough Street exit but before you exit onto Boat Harbour Drive.
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Thats pretty normal Dave, so long as there are left turn/ straight ahead arrows in the left lane and straight ahead/ right turn arrows in the right lane. You don't want anyone coming around you turning right from the left lane if your going straight ahead.
We have one of the greatest examples of engineering brilliance here in Wagga. Type in to Google maps the intersection of Dobney Ave and Pearson St. The story goes that a motorcyclist was killed the day they opened this mess.
To make matters worsera, theres now a Bunnings entrance/exit on the southern roundabout so when you indicate left to exit the roundabout people coming out of Bunnings think your turning into Bunnings and pull out in front of you. Its comical really if it wasn't so dangerous.
We have one of the greatest examples of engineering brilliance here in Wagga. Type in to Google maps the intersection of Dobney Ave and Pearson St. The story goes that a motorcyclist was killed the day they opened this mess.
To make matters worsera, theres now a Bunnings entrance/exit on the southern roundabout so when you indicate left to exit the roundabout people coming out of Bunnings think your turning into Bunnings and pull out in front of you. Its comical really if it wasn't so dangerous.
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It would be good if everybody did the same thing but when three drivers following each other do three different things with their indicators it becomes a bit chaotic.
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One of the reasons I left Mackay this year and moved to Hervey Bay was to do with the traffic.
With a large number of FIFO people from all different states (even some from WA) plus locals wearing cowboy hats, riding a bike was quite scary at times.
Had I remained in Mackay I would have sold the Bandit and bought a big arsed 4WD and encased it with crash bars.
Even with a population of around 70,000, Hervey Bay is quite nice to drive around and I don't feel quite as threatened on the roads.
OOPS : I think they wear cowboy hats in Wagga (Wagga)
With a large number of FIFO people from all different states (even some from WA) plus locals wearing cowboy hats, riding a bike was quite scary at times.
Had I remained in Mackay I would have sold the Bandit and bought a big arsed 4WD and encased it with crash bars.
Even with a population of around 70,000, Hervey Bay is quite nice to drive around and I don't feel quite as threatened on the roads.
OOPS : I think they wear cowboy hats in Wagga (Wagga)
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i can tell you when Victorians come to Merimbula they are a pain in the arse
i am going to cop it for that one
i am going to cop it for that one
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Jimcoleman wrote:Victorians come to Merimbula
i am going to cop it for that one
you got it in one Jim, Victorians, they're living in the dark ages
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The Victorian rules for roundabouts from Vicroads
Turning left
If there are multiple lanes you must approach in the left lane and stay in that lane. You must indicate a left turn on your approach to the roundabout and keep the indicator on until you have left the roundabout.
Turning right
If there are multiple lanes you must approach the roundabout in the right lane and stay in that lane. You must indicate a right turn on your approach, and indicate left, if practicable, just before the exit you are turning into, keeping the indicator on until you have left the roundabout.
Going straight ahead
If there are multiple lanes, approach the roundabout in the left or right lane. Drive in the same lane through the roundabout. Do not signal on your approach to the roundabout, but if practicable, signal left as you exit.
It's only going to be practical if the roundabout is of significant size, otherwise a left indicator is just going to confuse someone waiting to enter the roundabout.
As it happened to me several years ago when a 'P' plater indicated left to exit, I though he was getting off so I went to pull out. Only problem was he was going straight ahead. I'd only just moved a few feet over the line. He panicked and on the wet road he slid into me. My fault because I was over the line, but if he hadn't panicked he would have easily driven past me.
I've also seen them cut across both lanes as they exit when turning right. Left indicator on, change lanes without looking while on the roundabout and cut you off in the left lane.
Turning left
If there are multiple lanes you must approach in the left lane and stay in that lane. You must indicate a left turn on your approach to the roundabout and keep the indicator on until you have left the roundabout.
Turning right
If there are multiple lanes you must approach the roundabout in the right lane and stay in that lane. You must indicate a right turn on your approach, and indicate left, if practicable, just before the exit you are turning into, keeping the indicator on until you have left the roundabout.
Going straight ahead
If there are multiple lanes, approach the roundabout in the left or right lane. Drive in the same lane through the roundabout. Do not signal on your approach to the roundabout, but if practicable, signal left as you exit.
It's only going to be practical if the roundabout is of significant size, otherwise a left indicator is just going to confuse someone waiting to enter the roundabout.
As it happened to me several years ago when a 'P' plater indicated left to exit, I though he was getting off so I went to pull out. Only problem was he was going straight ahead. I'd only just moved a few feet over the line. He panicked and on the wet road he slid into me. My fault because I was over the line, but if he hadn't panicked he would have easily driven past me.
I've also seen them cut across both lanes as they exit when turning right. Left indicator on, change lanes without looking while on the roundabout and cut you off in the left lane.
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I'm in complete agreement with the rules that you posted above MM. It's a shame most people just can't seem to figure it out. It sure as hell isn't rocket science!
All we have to do now is teach people on slip lanes going onto a freeway, to speed up to match the freeway traffic speed, & people travelling on the freeway to allow them to merge with the flow of traffic.
Who am I kidding, that'll never happen in my life time!
All we have to do now is teach people on slip lanes going onto a freeway, to speed up to match the freeway traffic speed, & people travelling on the freeway to allow them to merge with the flow of traffic.
Who am I kidding, that'll never happen in my life time!
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We used to have give way to the right on roundabouts , then some dickhead changed it to the first on best dressed free for all we have now .....................wankers
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paul wrote:We used to have give way to the right on roundabouts , then some dickhead changed it to the first on best dressed free for all we have now .....................wankers
Easy fixed Paul, just make sure you are driving a truck, everyone will give way to you then!
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Its not practical on very small residential roundabouts
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crimsondawn wrote:Agree to disagree. Have them everywhere here. Awkward maybe, impossible? Not really.
I never said it was impossible just not so practical, and we're only talking about indicating to exit. According to Vicroads when turning right indicate right as you approach the roundabout then indicate left to exit if practical on very small roundabouts this isn't necessary as the exit comes up immediately.
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crimsondawn wrote:Same rule over here now. Personally, I don't see what the problem is with indicating left. How many times do you see ppl with their right indicator on (because they are taking the third exit), but they fail to either indicate their intention to leave the roundabout, or they fail to cancel the indicator?
If ppl indicated as they should/could, I am certain that traffic flow would increase accordingly and other users frustrations would wane a little.
At the end of the day, a roundabout is a roundabout, regardless of size.
Have you seen the ones in Sydney that are the size of a dustbin lid? People just drive over them.
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might as well be
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