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Post  b12mick Tue 19 Nov 2013, 11:23 am


How new police party powers could
affect ordinary Queenslanders
New police powers for Queensland, aimed at curbing ‘out-of-control’ parties, are very broad and could result in ordinary Queenslanders being punished for a criminal offence. These six examples show how simply celebrating with friends a
nd family, engaging in community work, or just doing their jobs could get Queenslanders into trouble.
 
Greg and Alison's engagement party
 
While leaving Greg and Alison’s engagement party at a local church hall, Greg’s cousin Scott does a burnout with three friends in the car, almost hitting a stop sign as they leave. About thirty party attendees see this, shake
their heads and call Scott a bogan. Alison organised the party.
 
Under section 53BB, Greg and Alison’s engagement partyis an  out-of-control event because:

there were more than 12 people at the party;

Scott and his friends engaged in ‘out-of-control conduct’ near his party (performing a burnout is ‘out-of-control
conduct’ under section 53BC(g)); •
the ‘out-of-control conduct’ caused a ‘person at or near the event’ to ‘reasonably fear’ ‘damage to property

(the stop sign) (section 53BB(1)(c)(ii)).
Under section 53BH, Alison has organised this out-of-
control event, and is guilty of an offence. Because the party wasn’t at Alison’s home, the maximum penalty that Alison faces is a fine of $18,150 or three years in prison
.
Bill’s retirement party
Bill is celebrating his retirement on a Sunday after noon, and invites twenty people to his home. Four of his former workmates get drunk, and leave the party. In the street, they are swearing loudly as they talk about the (poor) performance of their favourite football team, which continues as they pass through a local park. Eve is at the park with her children, and she is really offended by this language and she and her children leave.
 
Under section 53BB, Bill’s retirement party is an out -of-control event because:

there were more than 12 people at the event;

his friends engaged in ‘out-of-control conduct’ near his party (being drunk in a public place and using offensive language are both defined as ‘out-of-control
conduct’ under section 53BC);

the ‘out-of-control conduct’ has caused Eve ‘substantial interference’ with her enjoyment of a
public place. ‘Substantial interference’ isn’t defined, but as Eve felt she had to leave the park, there was clearly a substantial interference.
Under section 53BH, Bill has organised this out-of-control event, and is guilty of an offence. The maximum penalty that Bill faces is a fine of $12,100 or one year in prison.
Sharon’s 16th
birthday party
Cathy and Bruce agree that their daughter Sharon can have a sixteenth birthday party at their home, although only 20 of her friends can attend. Four of Sharon’s classmates,
who Bruce considers ‘bad eggs’, turn up at the party, and Bruce prevents them from entering. They get angry and, as they are leaving, one of the boys (Macca) knocks over the
letterboxes of Bruce’s next door neighbour. Police are called and two officers attend for an hour.
Under section 53BB, Sharon’s sixteenth party is an out -of-control event because:

there were more than 12 people at the party;

Macca and his mates engaged in ‘out-of-control conduct’ near the party (damaging property is ‘out-of-control conduct’ under section 53BC(d));

the ‘out-of-control conduct’ caused a ‘person at or near the event’ to ‘reasonably fear’ ‘damage to property

(the letterbox) (section 53BB(1)(c)(ii)).
Because Sharon is a child, Cathy and Bruce are responsible for organising this ‘out-of-control’ event
(section 53BH(2)). Cathy and Bruce are guilty of an
offence, and face a maximum penalty of a $12,100 fine or one year in prison. Cathy and Bruce may also be ordered to pay the police for attending (sections 53BK) as they are
deemed to be the event organisers; however, even if they were unaware of the party, the Court can order them to pay police costs (section 53BM). However, Cathy and Bruce
may be able to defend themselves if they ‘took reasonable steps to prevent the event becoming an out-of-control event’ (section 53BH(3)), but the examples in the law
(hiring security officers and ending the event) go much further than refusing entry to gatecrashers.
Macca is also guilty of an offence under section 53BI for ‘causing an out-of-control event’, and faces a maximum penalty of a $12,100 fine or one year in prison.
Cathy and Bruce face the same punishment as Macca.
 
Jack’s 21st
Birthday
Jack is celebrating his twenty-first birthday at the local (unlicensed) cricket club, with about 80 family members and friends attending. He sensibly registers the event with police, and on the afternoon of the party, the local sergeant authorises the use of out-of-control event powers on the basis that three other parties at the cricket club have become out-of-control events this year. At 9pm, two local constables enter the party, and tell everyone to leave the
party as it might become out-of-control. They also tell Jack’s sister Mary to stop dancing on the stage, although Mary keeps dancing. Before he agrees to leave, Jack’s mate Ben drops a stubby which smashes on the ground. People mill around the front of the cricket club, so
the police stay there until everyone has dispersed. The local sergeant has properly authorised the use of ‘out-of-control event powers’ under section 53BE. The constables can use these powers to ‘prevent the event becoming an out-of-control event’, even if it’s not
out-of-control (section 53BG(1)(a). They have the power to give the partygoers directions to ‘stop any conduct’, ‘immediately leave a place’, not return to a place for up to 24 hours, and/or ‘take any other steps the police officer considers reasonably necessary’ (section 53BG(2)).
By failing to stop dancing, Mary has committed an of fence (section 53BJ) and faces a maximum penalty of a $12,100 fine or one year in prison. Ben hasn’t followed the police officer’s direction when he drops his stubby. By ‘releasing... a thing in a way that endangers ... health or safety of another person’, Ben has committed an offence punishable by a $18,150 fine or three years in prison (section 53BJ).
Under section 53BB, Jack’s 21st birthday party is an out-of-control event because: there were more than 12 people at the engagement party; •
there was ‘out-of-control conduct’ (by failing to leave,
partygoers unlawfully remained in a place (section
53BC); Ben dropping the stubby is ‘out-of-control
conduct’ (section 53BC(i))

a large group of partygoers hanging around outside a cricket club may meet the criterion of causing ‘substantial interference’ with others’ ‘enjoyment’of a public place, or their ‘rights and freedoms’. Neither ‘rights and freedoms’ or ‘substantial interference’are defined in the law.
Under section 53BH, Jack has organised this out-of-control event, and is guilty of an offence. Because the party only became ‘out-of-control’ after the police intervened, it’s unlikely that Jack can defend himself on the basis that he took reasonable steps to prevent the becoming an out-of-control event (section 53BH(3)).
Because the party was not at his home, the maximum penalty that Jack faces is a $18,150 fine or three years in prison. He may also have to meet the police’s ‘reasonable
costs’ of attending the party.
Feeding the homeless
A
regional Christian Fellowship attends a local park to provide food to people who sleep rough in the area.About 30 homeless people attend, including Rob (who is drunk).
Two of the men begin arguing, and start to fight. Under section 53BB, this is an out-of-control event because:

there were more than 12 people ‘gathered together at a place’;

three or more people engaged in ‘out-of-control conduct’ (being drunk in a public place (section
53BC(i)) and assaulting a person (section 53BC(c));
a person at the event reasonably fears violence.
Under section 53BH, members of the Church have organised this out-of-control event, and the individuals involved are guilty of an offence. The maximum penalty
that they face is a fine of $18,150 or three years in prison, and as they didn’t take any steps to prevent the event
becoming ‘out-of-control’, they have no defence.
Free legal service
A community legal centre operates a drop-in advice service on Wednesday nights, which is staffed by eight lawyers and sees forty clients. One Wednesday night:

Wendy, who is upset by the stress from her divorce  threatens to have her ex-partner ‘kneecapped’, a threat that the staff take very seriously given Wendy’s history;

Judy, who received a brochure about child support law, throws the brochure on the street; and

Joe attends the service drunk, and is asked to leave.
 
Under section 53BB, this is an out-of-control event
because:

there were more than 12 people ‘gathered together at a place’;

three or more people engaged in ‘out-of-control
conduct’ (threatening to assault a person (section
53BC(c)), littering ‘in a way that causes... harm to...
the environment (section 53BC(k)) and being drunk i
n
a public place (section 53BC(i));

a person at the event reasonably fears violence.
Under section 53BH, members of the legal service have
organised this out-of-control event, and the individuals
involved are guilty of an offence. No-one lives at
the legal centre, so the maximum penalty is a fine of $18,150
or three years in prison.
For more details, contact the Youth Advocacy Centre
on (07) 3356 1002 or visit www.yac.net.au
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Post  madmax Tue 19 Nov 2013, 11:51 am

"Queensland, beautiful one day, a police state the next"

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Post  Truck bandit Tue 19 Nov 2013, 2:08 pm

Australia is going to the dogs!

Really, we are moving into the future that one of those bad 80's futuristic movies has predicted and we don't even know it!

We'll all be wearing the same grey colour skivvies and have things implanted under our skin to control our thinking soon.

The motorbike is one of the last sanctuaries for the human to be free and travel through the world in a way that engages with the environment.

Get rid of these politicians and so called 'experts' that are deciding how we should live our lives!

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Post  Jimcoleman Tue 19 Nov 2013, 2:17 pm

Thankfully i live in nsw
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Post  Hammy Tue 19 Nov 2013, 3:12 pm

Scare Mongering B S.  All  hypothetical nonsense.  I am of the believe that if you are doing no wrong, then you have nothing to worry about.  If you get pulled up for a check on your bike, so what.  I think too many people are getting too paranoid over things that probably won't even happen.
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Post  Jimcoleman Tue 19 Nov 2013, 3:34 pm

Here here hammy
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Post  barry_mcki Tue 19 Nov 2013, 7:43 pm

Whilst all these scenarios are theoretically possible under the law if the bow is draw very tight, I doubt the Police, the Attorney Generals Department or the Courts would be too impressed with increasing their workload on these B***S*** circumstances. 
 
If you were one of the bad eggs that they are trying to catch, then yes the judiciary might go to extraordinary lengths if other means fail, but I cannot foresee Ma & Pa Bronco being given anything more than a "keep it under control" talking to by the lads (and lasses) in blue.

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Post  2wheelsagain Tue 19 Nov 2013, 8:03 pm

Ok here's my less abusive take on it.
To the camp who say "if you're doing nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about" my response is; Why should you be under suspicion just because you ride a bike? We are all tarred with the same brush while laws already exist to deal with drugs & murder etc.
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Post  b12mick Wed 20 Nov 2013, 11:22 am

2wheelsagain wrote:Ok here's my less abusive take on it.
To the camp who say "if you're doing nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about" my response is; Why should you be under suspicion just because you ride a bike? We are all tarred with the same brush while laws already exist to deal with drugs & murder etc.
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Here here.  These laws probably won't be used against Ma and Pa kettle having family shindig. But the mere fact that they CAN be is what worries me.

As for the 'nothing to hide, nothing to fear' crowd, can I come and live in your world? 

The new so called 'anti bikie' laws aren't anti bikie they are anti association and anti organisation.  The way the laws are framed they can be used against any organisation that the government wants them to.

Sure they may not be used that far. But the fact they can be is what concerns me.

Also, recently the Premier and Attorney General have said that members of OMCs (actually they used the the CMG) should leave the clubs and get real jobs. Then in the next paragraph say that leaving the clubs is no protection against prosecution, they then go on to say they will ban members and ex members from working in various industries.

So they want you to leave the club, but they will still prosecute and persecute you. They want you to get a 'real' job yet those that do already have real jobs will be forced out of them.

The logic fail of the Qld Government is truly astounding.
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Post  mtbeerwah Wed 20 Nov 2013, 11:37 am

all being brought about by a government "I DIDN`T VOTE FOR" yet as it stands, I must adhere to!!
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Post  barry_mcki Wed 20 Nov 2013, 1:06 pm

Sooner or later people will realise this is just a smoke screen for the bureaucrats that are hiding their negligence, incompetence and as was shown recently their own criminal behaviour. 
 
The "Hey, look at that over there !!!" is one of the pollies biggest tools for distracting the public from the more important matters such as the condition of the education and health systems, and the press fall for it every time (well maybe not Media Watch  Very Happy  ). 
 
Imaging the good that could be done if the time, money and focus were spent on things to actually help the majority of the public, rather than focus on 0.5% of the crime rate, which has been mentioned plenty of times before are already covered by existing laws and procedures.


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Post  SuzySuzuki Thu 21 Nov 2013, 5:28 pm

This proves it. Queensland laws are stupid and Australia, in general, has turned to shit.

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Post  madmax Thu 21 Nov 2013, 8:10 pm

How about the next Bandit forum get together in southern Queensland, and we'll have a big rowdy drunken party at the motel we stay in.Twisted Evil

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Post  Truck bandit Fri 22 Nov 2013, 8:37 am

Or maybe we get some Bandit patches or colours made up to wear on our jackets/vests.

We need to turn the situation around and use it to our advantage somehow, or if we get pulled over for a check up, make it a teadeaous process and piss them off some how so they won't want to pull us over anymore. 

Perhaps be so so so nice to them (sarcastically of course!), that they will see that it is no point to target us and move on to the next target!

It's not a matter of (if you haven't done anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about!), its just that every day you see there is another law for us to follow and live under.
What was the last law that was abolished? I can't really think of any. Its always introduce new laws, never, this law is irrelevant and lets abolish it.
Example: A close road's speed limit was reduced because the state of the road was in disrepar, once a re-surfacing was complete, the limit didn't go back to the original limit but stayed reduced, even though the surface had been improved.

I think we should get some Bandit badges made up somewhere, anyone got any designs??

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Post  paul Fri 22 Nov 2013, 9:15 am

http://www.police.qld.gov.au/forms/registerride.asp


And we thought hi-viz jackets were a worry.................
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Post  BanditDave Fri 22 Nov 2013, 7:28 pm

I think the work-around for the party is if you have more than 11 people (and less than 22) that you advise you are celebrating two occasions at the same time with of course 11 people at each party. Will it work?? Question 

Not being bikies of course we would not be required to wear pink overalls if incarcerated. I propose chartreuse or lavender as appropriate colour choices

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